Black Ink Scam - Guild Wars Forums

Blkout · Sep 10, 2005, 10:59 PM // 22:59

There is a current scam I saw today where people are advertising black dye for sale for 6.5K for one or 25K for five and when you try to buy them, they try to give you black ink instead of black dye. I saw 2 different people doing this today and called them both out on it and told them to stop trying to scam people. One of them didn't even reply, the other had the nerve to try to tell me that he used black ink on his armor and he was wearing right now.

I'm posting this for the new people coming to the game, do NOT fall for this scam.

chaos dragoon · Sep 10, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02

the only people that will have enough money to even go through with the trade are usally the people that are smart enough not to fall for it.

but still i dont want gw to turn into a scam fest.

Lord Bentam · Sep 10, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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One and Two · Sep 11, 2005, 01:40 AM // 01:40

heh. what about those people buying black dyes in presearing for 200g?

Blkout · Sep 11, 2005, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by One and Two

heh. what about those people buying black dyes in presearing for 200g?

They are just as bad.

Blkout · Sep 11, 2005, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Lord Bentam

Screenshot and Report

Wish I had taken a screenshot now, forgot about that. If I see it again, I will though.

galkraft · Sep 11, 2005, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by One and Two

heh. what about those people buying black dyes in presearing for 200g?

huh? explain this one.

Siren · Sep 12, 2005, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by galkraft

huh? explain this one.

One who spends 200 gold in Pre-Sear for an item that, after one goes through Ascalon Academy and into Post-Searing, will sell for 6.5k at least in Post-Sear...is going to make quite a hefty profit.

And considering that the gold needs in Pre-Sear are rather minute comparatively, and that most players in Pre-Sear are in fact complete new players who are unaware of what that Black Dye will net "on the outside," as it were...

Just think about it, heh.

ayb · Sep 12, 2005, 01:48 AM // 01:48

it's not the same thing. selling ink as black dye is a misrepresentation. paying 200 g for a black dye from someone that's willing to sell it for 200 g is fine. if money means that much to that person they should research gw items/economy.

Siren · Sep 12, 2005, 06:26 AM // 06:26

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Originally Posted by ayb

it's not the same thing. selling ink as black dye is a misrepresentation. paying 200 g for a black dye from someone that's willing to sell it for 200 g is fine. if money means that much to that person they should research gw items/economy.

Not the exact same thing, but buying black dye for only 200 g in Pre-Sear is a rather blatant and drastic misrepresentation in its own right, because you're misrepresenting just how much black dye is worth.

Even with the scaled-down economy of Pre-Sear, where 200 gold might be Pre-Sear equivalent of the selling price of black dye in Post-Sear (not saying it is, but for argument's sake)...announcing you're buying black dye for 200 gold is a clear indication to me that you are in fact exploiting player ignorance--or at the very least, acting under a false pretense...misrepresentation.

"They should research the GW items/economy" is a rather broad generalized assessment, because the only players susceptible to that kind of consumer misinformation (black dye price or item, and anything in general, really) are the new players, who likely don't know where to go to read up on economic trends in GW, because they're more concerned with learning how to play (and reading online guides to that end).

But make no mistake. Both examples are still misrepresentation. In the former, you're pulling some trickery and false advertising with the product. In the latter, you're deceptive with the payment. They're both still misrepresentation.

ayb · Sep 12, 2005, 10:30 PM // 22:30

as a buyer it is neither my responsibility nor my concern to make sure that you know how much item x is worth. it is YOUR responsibility as the seller to set your own price based on the information you have available to you. acquiring said information is your job, not mine.

Alias_X · Sep 12, 2005, 11:21 PM // 23:21

heh, "Well, black ink is what I used on the armor I'm wearing." So thats why it looks so bad.

Siren · Sep 12, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by ayb

as a buyer it is neither my responsibility nor my concern to make sure that you know how much item x is worth. it is YOUR responsibility as the seller to set your own price based on the information you have available to you. acquiring said information is your job, not mine.

On the contrary! If you, the buyer, are advertising a price that you set based on information you alone possess, that the seller does not possess, that is misrepresentation. In fact, if it happened on the stock market (interestingly enough, the GW economy does function like a stock market), you would very likely find yourself slapped with an insider trading lawsuit...and insider trading, despite what you believe, is very much misrepresentation.

"As a buyer it is neither my responsibility nor my concern to make sure....etc" is yet again missing the point here, the point being that what those black dye buyers in Pre-Sear are doing is totally misrepresentation, because your defense of that could be applied to Wall Street insider trading and still be brushed aside as rubbish.

I don't care either way, but at least don't try to pass the "black dye buy" as the seller's fault when you know just as well as I do if the seller were to have the insider knowledge that you, the buyer, has...they wouldn't be selling you that black dye for a measly, paltry 200 gold.

I don't see how you're able to make the argument you're making and believe it. lol. Try using the same defense of insider trading on Wall Street and I guarantee you won't like the rebuttal. Come on, be sensible here.

OverlordTyrael · Sep 13, 2005, 01:05 AM // 01:05

I've never even heard of black ink o.O Anyone care to show a screenie? It's been a long time since I've traded anything other than godly weapons and PvPed.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Sep 13, 2005, 05:15 AM // 05:15

As for the Pre Sear part, I always try to watch in towns for Black Dye trades and make people aware of what the Post Searing cost is.

Sep 10, 2005, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#1
Blkout Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005	Black Ink Scam There is a current scam I saw today where people are advertising black dye for sale for 6.5K for one or 25K for five and when you try to buy them, they try to give you black ink instead of black dye. I saw 2 different people doing this today and called them both out on it and told them to stop trying to scam people. One of them didn't even reply, the other had the nerve to try to tell me that he used black ink on his armor and he was wearing right now. I'm posting this for the new people coming to the game, do NOT fall for this scam.

Sep 10, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02	#2
chaos dragoon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Warrior Nation[WN] Profession: R/	the only people that will have enough money to even go through with the trade are usally the people that are smart enough not to fall for it. but still i dont want gw to turn into a scam fest.

Sep 10, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13	#3
Lord Bentam Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: Around the corner. Guild: Muffins of Wrath (MoW) Profession: Mo/Me	Screenshot and Report

Sep 11, 2005, 01:40 AM // 01:40	#4
One and Two Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2005	heh. what about those people buying black dyes in presearing for 200g?

Sep 12, 2005, 01:48 AM // 01:48	#9
ayb Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: WTS SOUL PST Guild: Order of the Fly Profession: Mo/R	it's not the same thing. selling ink as black dye is a misrepresentation. paying 200 g for a black dye from someone that's willing to sell it for 200 g is fine. if money means that much to that person they should research gw items/economy.

Sep 12, 2005, 10:30 PM // 22:30	#11
ayb Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: WTS SOUL PST Guild: Order of the Fly Profession: Mo/R	as a buyer it is neither my responsibility nor my concern to make sure that you know how much item x is worth. it is YOUR responsibility as the seller to set your own price based on the information you have available to you. acquiring said information is your job, not mine.

Sep 12, 2005, 11:21 PM // 23:21	#12
Alias_X Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005	heh, "Well, black ink is what I used on the armor I'm wearing." So thats why it looks so bad.

Sep 13, 2005, 01:05 AM // 01:05	#14
OverlordTyrael Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: #amplitudestudios Guild: Xen of Onslaught [XoO] Profession: W/Mo	I've never even heard of black ink o.O Anyone care to show a screenie? It's been a long time since I've traded anything other than godly weapons and PvPed.

Sep 13, 2005, 05:15 AM // 05:15	#15
Arcanis the Omnipotent Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Nova Alliance Profession: Me/	As for the Pre Sear part, I always try to watch in towns for Black Dye trades and make people aware of what the Post Searing cost is.